Hahnemuhle Paper

[LenR]

Noticed this video on B&H this morning.
Printers on the forum may find this informative.
The paper is however on the pricey side.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrUHM9T4C3U

[Manfred M]

Hahnemühle makes some of my favourite papers. Yes they are premimum cost due to their premium quality. I love working with their products and use Photo Rag Baryta for a lot of my exhibition prints.

Canson paper is technically an older company (founded in 1557), but it did stop making paper for a few years, so Hahnemühle has operated continuously in making paper since 1584. Canson was originally called Montgolfier and two of the Montgolfier brothers were credited with the first hot air balloon flight and one of the main components of their device was paper. Canson also makes some great papers.

[DanK]

I'm once again going to review papers to pick a default exhibition paper. For the moment, I'm running down my remaining stock of the original Canson Baryta Photographique, but it's almost gone, and I still am not as enthusiastic about the surface of the current Baryta II. I'm going to get another sample pack of the Hahnemuhle barytas. However, they are very pricey. At B&H currently, in 13 x 19 (the size I most often show), Hahnemuhle Photo Rag is about 70% more than Canson Baryta Photographique II. Then again, I don't exhibit or hang that many.

[LenR]

The cost of the Hanemuhle paper has been prohibitive for my needs.
I still have about half a box of 13x19 of the original Canson Baryta and am using the Baryta II as well.
I also find Ilford Gold Fibre Gloss a decent paper. It is a warmer cotton rag base and has a wider gamut than the Canson papers....

[Manfred M]

The cost of the Hanemuhle paper has been prohibitive for my needs.
I still have about half a box of 13x19 of the original Canson Baryta and am using the Baryta II as well.
I also find Ilford Gold Fibre Gloss a decent paper. It is a warmer cotton rag base and has a wider gamut than the Canson papers....

Ilford is a brand used by two separate companies. Ilford Photo / Harman Technologies, which is the result of a management buyout of the old Ilford film business in the UK. If it is an analogue (silver halide) product, it comes from that company. So far as I can tell, they are only licenced to use the Ilford name for B&W. Harman and Kentmere are Harman Technology brands.

The other company is Ilford Imaging Europe GmbH, which largely came out of the Ciba-Geigy (Swiss) company that owned Iflord. This is the group that handles digital and colour products, like the Ilford inkjet papers. So far as I can tell, they own the Ilford trademarks and have licenced the Harman side to use that branding. So far as I can tell, Ilford Imaging is based in Germany now.

Any Ilford (Galarie) inkject paper is going to be along the lines of Red River that buy paper from other suppliers and sell if under their branding. This is essentially the same thing that Canon and Epson do; they don't have any paper mills, but sell their own brands of paper.

[LenR]

Correct Manfred, Ilford Galerie papers, according to the handling instructions and box labelling are now made in Germany.

[connectinfosoft]

Thanks for sharing! Premium papers often produce excellent results, but I'd be curious whether the improvement is noticeable enough to justify the higher cost for everyday printing.

[DanK]

Thanks for sharing! Premium papers often produce excellent results, but I'd be curious whether the improvement is noticeable enough to justify the higher cost for everyday printing.

I posted a reply before, but the site is functioning badly again, and the post disappeared.

The short answer is no. In my opinion, it is not worth spending the money for top tier papers for everday printing. Nearly all of the prints I have sold or had juried into competition have been printed on Canson Baryta Photographique, which is a premier paper but not nearly as expensive as the Hahnemuehle. However, I never use it for everyday printing. I typically do that using Moab Exhibition Luster, which is a mid-grade paper, but frankly, in many cases, most of the people viewing the prints would be just has happy with Canon luster, which is far cheaper than the Moab.

The big differences are between types of paper, e.g., matte vs. coated. The differences among papers of a given type are often quite small, apart from differences in the base color of the paper itself. It may matter if you are exhibiting, but not so much for casual use.