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    Re: AWB, Kelvins - How do I properly use them in manual mode to get a good light sett

    Wonderful stuff Richard

    Just the tiniest of nit-picks ... I'm told that we're supposed to say "kelvin", not "degrees kelvin" Can't say I understand why, but then again, I don't understand a lot of things!

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    Re: AWB, Kelvins - How do I properly use them in manual mode to get a good light sett

    Quote Originally Posted by rpcrowe View Post
    Except for shooting under extremely mixed lighting conditions, I always shoot RAW and use AWB to get me close to the color I want and then tweak that color in Camera Raw.
    Great post, Richard, especially the stuff about filters. I must say that one of the things I love about my Canon S95 is that I can fine tune any given white balance on both the b/a and the g/m axes and see the results live in the LCD monitor as I'm doing so. Instant feedback, before I press the shutter! It is a very useful feature for those mixed lighting situations when I want to be sure to get the colours of my subject just so. I wish I had it on my Nikon D90.

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    Re: AWB, Kelvins - How do I properly use them in manual mode to get a good light sett

    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Southern View Post
    I'm told that we're supposed to say "kelvin", not "degrees kelvin" Can't say I understand why, but then again, I don't understand a lot of things!
    Because I'm a word nut, I had to check, and you're both right. "Kelvin" is the SI unit equivalent to "degree Celsius". However, my dictionary of science states "formerly 'degree Kelvin'".

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    Re: AWB, Kelvins - How do I properly use them in manual mode to get a good light sett

    IThanks so much! Very helpful reply!

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    Re: AWB, Kelvins - How do I properly use them in manual mode to get a good light sett

    By the way... When shooting RAW, especially, AWB does a very satisfactory job. I seldom if ever shoot any other way...

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    Re: AWB, Kelvins - How do I properly use them in manual mode to get a good light sett

    Quote Originally Posted by rpcrowe View Post
    By the way... When shooting RAW, especially, AWB does a very satisfactory job. I seldom if ever shoot any other way...
    I find it seems OK for the likes of general landscape, but for closeup portraiture it's never "spot on" (it might look OK initially, but once the correct numbers are dialed it one can usually see a significant improvement).

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    Re: AWB, Kelvins - How do I properly use them in manual mode to get a good light sett

    My science teacher – my partner tells me there is no ‘degree’ in Kelvin. Whether there is or there isn’t I think it confuses people. I see the Kelvin scale more as a colour chart (like a paint chart) rather than a hot or cold measurement. If you can visualise the RGB colour spectrum the Kelvin scale runs from Red through Orange, Yellow and across the middle of the spectrum to White and on to Cyan and Blue. Most of the colours on the scale from Red to White are from direct light sources (man made or direct light from the sun) while the blue colours come from indirect light reflected from the sky above.

    The Tint slider in WB correction covers the other axis of the colour spectrum ‘Green – Magenta’.

    With landscapes Auto WB is ok, as long as you don’t have mixed light sources. If you are shooting an open scene in sunlight then the area is lit by direct light and the auto WB is generally ok.

    If you are shooting in the shade (like a waterfall in a valley) then you are working with indirect light. You subject is lit by reflected light from the sky and will give a blue cast, particularly with longer exposures. Again your Auto WB should work ok if all your shot is in the shade.

    If you are shooting a subject in the shade (indirect light = bluish cast) and have a background in the sun (direct light) then the auto WB tries to average the two sources of light and gives a poor result. You need to choose what is important and set the WB for that or correct in PP. ACR is your best bet but if you correct the main area you are likely to overly correct the other and you cannot mask for WB corrections in ACR so you might have to correct the main subject area and then mask the secondary area in PS for some small colour correction.

    Having said Auto WB generally works OK I use a Nikon, shoot a lot of landscapes and find it shoots a little on the cool side (bluish) – around 200 on the Kelvin Scale but you need to work through this with the light in your location.

    Edit: One definite adjustment is to shoot sunrise and sunset on the Cloudy setting. These are red/yellow in colour and the camera adds blue to bring it back to a neutral white light and washes out the colour. By choosing Cloudy you are telling the camera to add add a little red.
    Last edited by Peter Ryan; 21st February 2011 at 05:17 AM.

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    Re: AWB, Kelvins - How do I properly use them in manual mode to get a good light sett

    Thanks Peter!

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