I am going back to RAW & manual.

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Originally Posted by pnodrog

No, Ted you don't deserve it. Robin's imagination is just a bit of a worry. I had just assumed you were in front of a chess board and had restarted the timer. Informing your opponent is a very sporting gesture...:)

P.S. I for one appreciate the points you make.

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Thanks, Paul,

I see that it's "my move" . . .

So here's a variety of images from a Learned Paper:

http://kronometric.org/phot/gamut/MasImagenDeRAW.jpg

These very well-known gentlemen have no difficulty at all in describing 'A' as an image (also known as a 'picture', George) and I'll take Messrs. Holm, Tastl, Hanlon and Hubel's view on color rendition over anybody else's here, including my own.

http://mmspg.epfl.ch/files/content/s..._susstrunk.pdf

Ding!

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Originally Posted by xpatUSA

Thanks, Paul,

I see that it's "my turn" . . .

So here's a variety of images from a Learned Paper:

http://kronometric.org/phot/gamut/MasImagenDeRAW.jpg
These very well-known gentlemen have no difficulty at all in describing 'A' as an image (also known as a 'picture', George) and I'll take Messrs. Holm, Tastl, Hanlon and Hubel's view on color rendition over anybody else's here, including my own.

http://mmspg.epfl.ch/files/content/s..._susstrunk.pdf

Ding!

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I hope the link is downloadable.

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Originally Posted by xpatUSA

Thanks, Paul,

I see that it's "my turn" . . .

So here's a variety of images from a Learned Paper:

http://kronometric.org/phot/gamut/MasImagenDeRAW.jpg
These very well-known gentlemen have no difficulty at all in describing 'A' as an image (also known as a 'picture', George) and I'll take Messrs. Holm, Tastl, Hanlon and Hubel's view on color rendition over anybody else's here, including my own.

http://mmspg.epfl.ch/files/content/s..._susstrunk.pdf

Ding!

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Yep - exactly as I expected. Use 5 different extraction methods to obtain 5 different images from a data array that needs processing to be viewed as an image....:) Only the last has extracted the data from the array in the manner appropriate to reconstruct the image taken....

We are of course not disagreeing with each other but talking about totally different things.

Note: In the A extraction they even refer to the RAW CFA data NOT the RAW image....:)

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Originally Posted by pnodrog

Note: In the A extraction they even refer to the RAW CFA data NOT the RAW image....:)

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I do wish that note had not been added :(

Now I am forced to point out the heading which says:

"an image at different stages of color processing" . . tsk!

Ding!

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Originally Posted by JBW

I hope the link is downloadable.

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So do I, Brian. Did it not work for you?

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Originally Posted by xpatUSA

So do I, Brian. Did it not work for you?

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It worked for me just took a long time to load.

A good clear explanation of the processes and options available.

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Originally Posted by pnodrog

Yep - exactly as I expected. Use 5 different extraction methods to obtain 5 different images from a data array that needs processing to be viewed as an image....:) Only the last has extracted the data from the array in the manner appropriate to reconstruct the image taken....

We are of course not disagreeing with each other but talking about totally different things.

Note: In the A extraction they even refer to the RAW CFA data NOT the RAW image....:)

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That's exactly what happens. The sensordata is saved in a Color Filter Array, in info portions of 12 or 14 bit, registering the light in 1 color per sensel.
The picture here is shown in a RGB-based raster, each pixel exists out off 3 colors. To avoid the strange look when the corresponding sensels/pixels will be R,G or B, it's grayed. The 2 added colours have given the same value as the third.

Again, you can't see a RAW-picture. We use a RGB-raster technology to view pictures or anything else. The RAW has to be converted to that.


Brian,
I would like to remind you on your opening post

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Hi one and all,

For the past week or so I have been experimenting with my cameras settings. I must admit that the auto settings available with JPEG allowed me to shoot some nice shots.

But they were not my shots. so I am back to manual and RAW. The shots won't be as consistent, possibly not even as good, but they will be mine.
Brian

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Are you satisfied now?

Georg

Brian,

Special for you I made some diagram to explain what is going on. It's very basic but it covers what you should know to begin with. And not only you.
It's the first time I use this program.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d...-Ic42/flow.jpg

George

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Originally Posted by george013

That's exactly what happens. The sensordata is saved in a Color Filter Array, in info portions of 12 or 14 bit, registering the light in 1 color per sensel.
The picture here is shown in a RGB-based raster, each pixel exists out off 3 colors. To avoid the strange look when the corresponding sensels/pixels will be R,G or B, it's grayed. The 2 added colours have given the same value as the third.

Again, you can't see a RAW-picture. We use a RGB-raster technology to view pictures or anything else. The RAW has to be converted to that.


Brian,
I would like to remind you on your opening post


Are you satisfied now?

Georg

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George, Read my first post. I stated some facts. I am amazed at where the conversation has gone and I have learned a lot. So yes I am satisfied.

You on the other hand seem to have a problem with me, my post and the ongoing conversation. Might I suggest you take your problems to one of the moderators.
Brian

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Originally Posted by pnodrog

It worked for me just took a long time to load.

A good clear explanation of the processes and options available.

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Yes it did when I tried it. Just a little slow.