Canon EOS 6D

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Originally Posted by Ady

I'd prefer to stick to CF cards for convenience, but having to buy a handful of SD cards won't kill me, I hope.

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As far as using a combination of SD and CD cards for different cameras; that should not be a problem if you are at all logistically competent. In fact, IMO, using two different types of cards is, IMO, easier than shooting with two different types of batteries such as when I travel with my 40D and 7D. In addition to different batteries, I need to bring two different types of chargers. No great problem but, just another piece of gear to travel with.

I would prefer that the 6D was not so totally bare bones! I still have my first digital camera; an Olympus C5050Z which surprises me in the sophistication of this camera which I purchased sometime in the 1990's. The little Olympus was capable of using both CF and SD cards. I seems to me that this would be a rather easy add on....

The SD is really too bare bones for me but, if I were a traveling photographer, IMO embedding GPS coordinates is might be kind of nice, however it would not really be not really necessary. OTOH, having the capability of adding a voice annotation to my images would be just great. I work around this by using the video capability of my 7D as a note taking accessory.

Still saving.... for a 5D mkIII or MKII at a knock down price. Only problem EF-S Lenses ... 3 of them.....

Still the 7D is a great camera ... so why change to less with a 6D ??

Regards

Obviously my previous reference to buying SD cards being 'hopefully' not fatal was melodramatic, but so far I've had the convenience of all my bodies taking the same cards and batteries. As a result the 6D would be the first addition that required I think a bit more about what's in my bag as I head out the door, though it does at least take the same batteries as the 5 and 7Ds.

Cheers,
A

As a long time Canon crop user, they have given me no real reason to upgrade from my 50Ds. After shooting the 5D2 at work, my opinion is that FF has nice IQ but the concept is very much a case of diminishing returns. The 6D??? No interest in it at all. Canon is catering to FF KoolAid drinkers that need to quit worrying about their equipment and learn photography.The only FF Canon camera that would interest me is the 5D3, and that is a moot point since two of my lenses won't work on it and there is no way I am spending $3500 on a camera in this crap economy.

As a side note, I am still thinking about a partial switch to M4/3, a smaller sensor than my current APS-C.

I'm a bit perplexed as well. I think the best applications for the 6D are budget-conscious photographers in need of a full-frame backup for their more expensive full-frame primary, and beginning low-light photographers. If I were buying my first camera now, the 6D would be in the running. But, since I already own a 60D, I know I'd miss the articulated screen (way more handy than I thought it'd be) and the built-in flash for controlling my slaves. I really don't think the difference between 9 and 11 AF points is worth mentioning, and the GPS and Wi-Fi capability seem targeted towards photographers who like to integrate their work with social media platforms in real time. Not really something I could use, but the Wi-Fi would be nice, if I ever worked in a studio. :D As an upgrade path, the 5DmkIII is more attractive since it uses the same batteries and SD cards as the 60D, with a full-frame sensor and a much better AF system. In my personal opinion, the 5DmkIII is worth $3,500, but the 6D is probably not worth $2,100.

However, I'm still interested in the DxOMark tests. If the image quality or low-light performance give the Nikon D800 a run for its money or outperform the 5DmkIII, the 6D will have my undivided attention.

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Originally Posted by RustBeltRaw

If I were buying my first camera now, the 6D would be in the running.

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And their target market may well be "new to SLR users with a modest budget".

I do wonder if folks are looking at the 6D through the eyes of experienced photographers who are wondering "why would Canon release such a unit and expect me to buy it when it's clearly a step back from what I have now" when in reality it may well be aimed at "new to SLR users who - due to the crappy economy - only have a modest budget", and in reality, Canon have no expectations of more experienced or ably equipped photographers buying it?

Who knows -- I'd suggest though that - as the #1 SLR camera manufacturer - and as a global consumer electronics juggernaut - Canon aren't stupid :)

They're not - but a $2k camera isn't a 'new to SLR photography camera' is any way, shape or form.


Don't get me wrong, the sensor will be brilliant but it is a LOT of money for a VERY basic camera and I feel Canon are taking a risk too far.

I can tell you the type of photographer who I think may buy the 6D. I am paraphrasing a posting on another website wherein the OP stated asked how another photographer managed to shoot such good portraits. He then stated that he was very surprised when he learned that the photographer about whom he was posting, "shot the portraits with a 50D." The OP had thought that you must use a FF camera to get results that good.

Basically, he was telling us that he could not get good quality from his crop equipment and that he had assumed a person would automatically be able to improve the quality of his imagery by shooting with a full frame camera.

IMO, that is the type photographer who will be attracted by the 6D.

If I were so enthralled by FF, (I am happy with my 1.6x crops thank you!) I would seriously consider a refurbished 5Dii at several hundred U.S. Dollars less than the 6D!
http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs...0051_214217_-1

I am guessing that the 6D AF would not be much better or worse than the 5Dii. A quote regarding the 6D from Mike Owen of Canon, Europe, "...we felt that this type of camera in this particular user group, auto focus performance is not 100% critical." Mr. Owen; Focus is DARN CRITICAL FOR ME!

By the way, Owen mentions that an articulating LCD is not durable:rolleyes: and if you need an articulating screen for the 6D, just use your smartphone:eek:

Here is a "snapshot" comparison of the 6D and 7D
http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-EO...s-Canon_EOS_7D

I don't always agree with the "snapshot" comparisons...

In camera HDR of the 7D doesn't interest me - that I what I use postpocessing for.

980 shots of the 6D vs. 800 shots per charge of the 7D... That is what I always carry an extra battery for...

That the 6D is 3mm smaller than the 7D in two dimensions is totally irrelevant.

That the 6D is 90 grams lighter in weight. A bit over 3 ounces doesn't seem like a lot of weight, especially since lenses like the 24-70L are a lot heavier than my 17-55mm f/2.8 IS.

The 8.5 FPS burst of the 7D over the 4.5 FPS of the 6D is important to me.

The 131ms shutter delay of the 7D vs the 144ms delay of the 6D may be important or may be irrelevant.

The snapshot states that the 7d is "slightly cheaper" than the 6D. IMO a 7D list price of $1,500 USD compared with a $2,100 USD price of the 6D is not "slightly" cheaper. A $600 USD difference is IMO quite a bit of cash. Additonally, I would purchase a 7D (if I did not already own one) as a Canon refurbished camera from B&H and that would cost me $1,150 or $950 cheaper than the 6D. I could (almost) buy a pair of 7D refurbished cameras (I always shoot with a pair of cameras) for the price of one new 6D.

Of course, eventually refurbished 6D cameras will come on the market and possibly the new prices of 6D cameras will be reduced sometime in the future.

Finally, I absolutely LOVE my 17-55mm f/2.8 IS lens and that is another reason (along with the fact that my crop image quality is very good to excellent) that I will stick with the 7D. I JUST LOVE THAT CAMERA. AND... the new firmware update and Magic Lantern add-on for my 7D is going to make this great camera even better!

That Magic Lantern have finally cracked the 7D is amazing and I love that you simply piggy-back the extra features onto the camera by sticking it on a memory card. I'm guessing they used the recent Canon firmware update to crack a way in and use the same route for their tweaks.

it's a fine camera. it's canon's first inexpensive full-frame. don't believe in what nikon says, you'll learn to love it. :-)

I've not studied the matter deeply, and perhaps I'm a bit biased,
but IMHO i do not understand all that doubts about 6D I find in the web
first of all, everything depends on money, so on price. As always, who will run first to capture the first 6D on the market will pay much more than who will wait a few months.
after that, everyone who has or has had the mouth watering for the 5DII (and there have been many and many) should consider 6D a step forward.
the first thing I look at on a camera is sensor. and 6D's one is better than 5DII
the second one is the AF, and it seems to me that 6D AF is better than 5DII since it works at -3EV when the 5DII only at -0,5EV
the 3rd, is the speed, and also here 6D is better than 5dII (4,5 pps vs. 3,9pps)
every thing else it's only a joke... wireless, screen..

it's clear that both the two cameras aren't usable for sport/wildlife but I think that 95% of not-pro customers shot landscapes, portrait and low light picture (as events/weddings) 99% of the times . In that matter 6D is a very interesting camera.