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the size of the sensor in the d3200 is virtually the same size as the d5200! 23.2 x 15.4 mm as opposed to 23.6 x 15.7 mm.

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Exactly, only with 8,000,000 more pixel citizens packed into the same phone booth. Sound like a good idea? Sounds to me like a Nikon marketing VP said, "I have a great idea. We'll pack 24MP into this entry level camera. We will sell billions of them by sheer virtue of the fact that it's got 24MP. Our minions will go nuts over this camera. Oh yeah, let's make it from red alloy as well. In case the 24MP doesn't get them, the red alloy should do the trick."

I would almost love to see a professionally made image quality comparison between the D5100 and this new D3200. I said almost. My D5200 is what I call a "stop-gap" until I can afford a pro full frame body.

Oh, and a gimmick is still a gimmick no matter which magician employs the trick.

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Originally Posted by Momo

Exactly, only with 8,000,000 more pixel citizens packed into the same phone booth. Sound like a good idea? Sounds to me like a Nikon marketing VP said, "I have a great idea. We'll pack 24MP into this entry level camera. We will sell billions of them by sheer virtue of the fact that it's got 24MP. Our minions will go nuts over this camera. Oh yeah, let's make it from red alloy as well. In case the 24MP doesn't get them, the red alloy should do the trick."

I would almost love to see a professionally made image quality comparison between the D5100 and this new D3200. I said almost. My D5200 is what I call a "stop-gap" until I can afford a pro full frame body.

Oh, and a gimmick is still a gimmick no matter which magician employs the trick.

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oddly when the d800 was announced a lot of d700 users said exactly what you said. 24,000,000 more pixel citizens packed into the same phone booth. Sound like a good idea?

coloured cameras are not new either go look at some of pentaxes.......

here we go ... http://www.sunrainet.com/pink-pentax...hong-kong.html

the word pro is interesting..... you seem to equate full frame with pro. There are pros who DON'T use full frame because for their need they don't need it. Bob Krist for one. I believe he uses a d7000 which has the same sensor as your d5100. And you know what? He gets to produce photos for Nikon's brochures!!

curiously what annoys me more about Nikon is that they haven't completed a DX lens line up.

they really need to introduce a VR version of the 17-55 and it needs to be lighter than the current one. No wide angle primes for DX. No portrait lens for DX (50mm full frame lenses are too short really) no 50-135/150 f2.8 zoom.

where is the 80-400 with af-s? where is the 300 f4 with VR.....

what we don't need is a d3200 a d5200 or a d7200 since what we have is pretty good. The only dx body in need of a refresh is the d300.

I find it interesting that when the panasonic 12-35 and 35-100 are launched this year micro 4/3 will have a more complete system than dx!

I would add that Canon APS-C users have a similar gripe.

Anyone remember this question, "Have you seen these red ones yet?"?

One person mentions a D800 and, bang!, we're off to the races. It is my own personal observation that photographers are a group of very opinionated people. I am one of them. I have seen the quality of the D800 first hand. I'd say job well done to Nikon for cramming another 24,000,000 pixels into that phone booth.

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oddly when the d800 was announced a lot of d700 users said exactly what you said. 24,000,000 more pixel citizens packed into the same phone booth. Sound like a good idea?

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Evidently, and from the full-resolution images I have seen, yes. I'd ask you a question in reply, but I'm done with this thread.

I think some people are missing my point in that I see the D3200 as being a marketing gimmick. Sure, some other cameras share the 24MP sensor, but those cameras have so many more features and, for the most part, are not entry level. It's shiny, red, and packs 24MP. Furthermore, with the name "D3200" any uneducated consumer coming along is going to think this is the upgrade to the D3100. Right. Gimmick.

I've long since said enough and this thread has been woefully hijacked to the usual MP/D800/sensor size debate. I stand by my opinion that the D3200 is a marketing gimmick. I also wait for the day I can get my hands on a D800 provided something better doesn't come out in the meantime.

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Originally Posted by Momo

Anyone remember this question, "Have you seen these red ones yet?"?

One person mentions a D800 and, bang!, we're off to the races. It is my own personal observation that photographers are a group of very opinionated people. I am one of them. I have seen the quality of the D800 first hand. I'd say job well done to Nikon for cramming another 24,000,000 pixels into that phone booth.



Evidently, and from the full-resolution images I have seen, yes. I'd ask you a question in reply, but I'm done with this thread. It has spiraled into negativity with thinly-veiled attacks on someone's personal opinion.

I think some people are missing my point in that I see the D3200 as being a marketing gimmick. Sure, some other cameras share the 24MP sensor, but those cameras have so many more features and, for the most part, are not entry level. It's shiny, red, and packs 24MP. Furthermore, with the name "D3200" any uneducated consumer coming along is going to think this is the upgrade to the D3100. Right. Gimmick.

I've long since said enough and this thread has been woefully hijacked to the usual MP/D800/sensor size debate. I stand by my opinion that the D3200 is a marketing gimmick. I also wait for the day I can get my hands on a D800 provided something better doesn't come out in the meantime.

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Gimmick? For the money Nikon is charging, I would hardly classify it as a gimmick.

I have shot some great images with point & shoot cameras, superzooms, film cameras and of course DSLRs (I can't say I've ever gotten a picture that I really like out of a phone or tablet; perhaps I have not tried hard enough). I don't think that the D3200 is any more or less capable because of it's large sensor size. It's what the person behind the viewfinder does with it.

From a image quality standpoint, it should deliver similar results to any other modern crop-frame camera; certainly at the lower ISO settings.

I think it also gives us an idea as to where sensor technology is going for the D900 (or whatever Nikon is planning to call the next gen camera). A lot of technology companies will introduce technology bumps in mid or lower range products; to reduce their production risks. This sensor pitch is going to be in the 3.9 micron range, versus the 4.8 pitch on the D800. This gives Nikon (and Sony) some valuable production experience on a new smaller photodiode design. In three or four years people will be whining about those darn huge 60MP sensors and how we will have to be shooting at f/5.6 or so because of being diffraction limited and how we will have to upgrade our hard drives and computers to handle the huge files. As I said before, I would prefer that the sensor and camera makers spent more time on dynamic range. I really don't need a night vision camera....

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Originally Posted by Momo

Anyone remember this question, "Have you seen these red ones yet?"?

One person mentions a D800 and, bang!, we're off to the races. It is my own personal observation that photographers are a group of very opinionated people. I am one of them. I have seen the quality of the D800 first hand. I'd say job well done to Nikon for cramming another 24,000,000 pixels into that phone booth.



Evidently, and from the full-resolution images I have seen, yes. I'd ask you a question in reply, but I'm done with this thread. It has spiraled into negativity with thinly-veiled attacks on someone's personal opinion.

I think some people are missing my point in that I see the D3200 as being a marketing gimmick. Sure, some other cameras share the 24MP sensor, but those cameras have so many more features and, for the most part, are not entry level. It's shiny, red, and packs 24MP. Furthermore, with the name "D3200" any uneducated consumer coming along is going to think this is the upgrade to the D3100. Right. Gimmick.

I've long since said enough and this thread has been woefully hijacked to the usual MP/D800/sensor size debate. I stand by my opinion that the D3200 is a marketing gimmick. I also wait for the day I can get my hands on a D800 provided something better doesn't come out in the meantime.

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The thread has become a debate on whether an entry level camera warrants a 24mp sensor barring in mind who the likely buyer will be and very interesting it has become because of it.

Yes cameras are going to get more and more and more and more pixels each generation but the question was/still is - 'does anyone actually need them?'

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Originally Posted by Momo

Evidently, and from the full-resolution images I have seen, yes. I'd ask you a question in reply, but I'm done with this thread. It has spiraled into negativity with thinly-veiled attacks on someone's personal opinion.

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Firstly my apologies if you think I was personally attacking you I wasn't. I just think you are wrong.

There have been other coloured dSLR's...... Nikon like most Japanese companies cares about their home market. And the Japanese like coloured cameras. don't ask me why becuase I don't!

There have been other 24 mp cameras. There will be more!

so a gimmick? no. I do think its the wrong sensor though for the camera. Because the buyer of a d3200 will buy the kit lens a 55-200/300 (good lenses btw) and not get what the camera can deliver.

as to the unanswered question you would ask me about the 24mp. well have a look at the A77 pics! they are good. Have a look at the nex7 they're good.

The features of a sony camera like the a77/nex7 are better but frankly stick a good lens on the d3200 and a pro will get as good pics out of it as they would out of the a77.

don't get me wrong features are nice but ultimately it comes down to the quality of the photographer and the lens.

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Originally Posted by Momo

I've long since said enough and this thread has been woefully hijacked to the usual MP/D800/sensor size debate.

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Hi Darren,

I like to think of threads as being "conversations" - and just like conversations in real life, they regularly drift from one thing to another. Obviously in some circumstances this isn't appropriate (eg court room proceedings), but around CiC it's pretty much the norm -- and something that personally I don't have a problem with (often we go off on a tangent to expand on something). Just like in "real life" though, good folks such as yourself are more than welcome to re-focus the threads attention on the original subject.

Boy, that's the last time I ask a simple question!:rolleyes:

No Andrew, I hadn't :D

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Originally Posted by Andrew1

Boy, that's the last time I ask a simple question!:rolleyes:

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Reminds me of the old saying that goes along the lines of "We have not succeeded in answering all our questions. The answers we have found only serve to raise a whole set of new questions. In some ways we feel we are as confused as ever, but we believe we are confused on a higher level and about more important things" :)

:eek: All I want is a Nikon that will work with my lenses. Specifically, Lensbaby in AP mode. I've almost got the cash stashed away, but get more confused every time I read this stuff. :o

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Originally Posted by MajaMolly

:eek: All I want is a Nikon that will work with my lenses. Specifically, Lensbaby in AP mode. I've almost got the cash stashed away, but get more confused every time I read this stuff. :o

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Aren't some Lensbabys fixed aperture devices?
I think even those that are variable aperture are a manual twist on the front, with no electrical connections to tell the camera what's going on?
Sorta rules out using aperture priority I'm afraid. :(

So Lensbaby always = "Manual" as far as I know.

Also, I haven't seen a detailed spec for D3200, but I suspect that it doesn't have a focus motor in the body, like the D40, D60, D3000, D3100, D5000, D5100, etc. don't - So that's another thing to consider with other lenses you may have too.

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Originally Posted by Dave Humphries

Aren't some Lensbabys fixed aperture devices?

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IMO they're also the fastest way I know to ruin a good photo.

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Originally Posted by Dave Humphries

Aren't some Lensbabys fixed aperture devices?
I think even those that are variable aperture are a manual twist on the front, with no electrical connections to tell the camera what's going on?
Sorta rules out using aperture priority I'm afraid. :(

So Lensbaby always = "Manual" as far as I know.

Also, I haven't seen a detailed spec for D3200, but I suspect that it doesn't have a focus motor in the body, like the D40, D60, D3000, D3100, D5000, D5100, etc. don't - So that's another thing to consider with other lenses you may have too.

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Lensbaby meters on all Canon DSLR bodies and Nikon bodies D7000 and up and work in aperture priority. So, nope... not always 'manual'.

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Originally Posted by Colin Southern

IMO they're also the fastest way I know to ruin a good photo.

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Well... everybody has their own opinions on what they like and don't like and what they think makes a good photo and what doesn't. The forum would pretty boring if everyone shot long shutter speeds, or processed in all black and white, or...

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Originally Posted by Colin Southern

IMO they're also the fastest way I know to ruin a good photo.

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You might want to take a peek at the Lensbaby Gallery and the Lensbaby forums. Just like here, there are a bunch amazing images and then a bunch of not so amazing images; there are lots of professional photographers, lots of hobbyists, and lots of people just learning.

The Lensbaby adds a whole different level of learning and a bunch of creative possibilities. Is it all about the technicalities? Nope. But, there's more to a 'good' image (what 'is' good varies from person to person and one is not more correct than the other) than technicalities... creativity, heart, emotion. Yes, I know... creativity, heart, and emotion are hard for lots of people to capture. But we all have it...we just have to find it, and for some of us, Lensbaby is just one more added tool in our camera bag.

double plus good