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    Interesting method of sharpening w/out noise

    The recent edition of Topaz News had a link to a video showing a different twist on using a high pass filter for sharpening. The method avoids enhancing noise in the base image. I've seen similar methods in the past but they were much more complicated and time consuming. For this one your software must be able to:
    • work in layers
    • create a high pass filter layer
    • run NR on the high pass layer
    • sharpen the high pass layer
    • blend the high pass over the base layer in luminosity mode and adjust opacity


    Here is a link to a video demonstration of the technique. It looks pretty interesting. As is typical I'm sure it will work well on some images and not on others. Looks like it would be great for architecture or anything with bold lines.

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    Re: Interesting method of sharpening w/out noise

    Dan, interesting process, its similar to a couple of actions I developed for myself using Gaussian Blur/Surface Blur and Noise reduction to perform a kind of 'wavelet' sharpening.

    I've just run the process on an image I processed this morning from the eclipse.

    It certainly works and brings out additional info. I'm interested since it seems to be effective where there is limited differentiation between light and dark edges.


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    Will play with it a bit more but it definitely looks useful. (I do not have Topaz, but the filters available in CS6 seemed to be sufficient to generate the effect.)

    Thanks for the link.. James
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    Re: Interesting method of sharpening w/out noise

    Probably received the same e-mail from Topaz as you Dan and I have been experimenting with the method. It can work quite well and I thought it worth posting one or two things that I have discovered so far.

    It seems to be easier to control on larger images than smaller images. Small JPGs seem to be more prone to excess contrast. Only used TIFF images so far. Don't know whether it works with RAW files but I guess there is no reason why not.

    You don't always need to post sharpen the High Pass layer. De blurring it in Topaz is sometimes enough.

    You don't always need to use linear light to merge the layers. It is worth experimenting with that whole block of options particularly if the end result seems a little harsh.

    You can of course apply this selectively by just erasing or masking out the High pass layer where you don't want to apply sharpening.

    It seems to work quite well and I guess as a technique, it isn't reliant on Topaz software. Any noise software should do it. I think it might be a useful addition to the tool box.

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    Re: Interesting method of sharpening w/out noise

    Part of the video was unclear, after applying the hpf, did he say desaturate the layer?

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    Re: Interesting method of sharpening w/out noise

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowman View Post
    Part of the video was unclear, after applying the hpf, did he say desaturate the layer?
    Yes. He says is really fast about 1:25 into the video.

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    Re: Interesting method of sharpening w/out noise

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernFocus View Post
    Yes. He says is really fast about 1:25 into the video.
    Thanks Dan.

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    Re: Interesting method of sharpening w/out noise

    Sounds like a variation on the view expounded by Larry Bolch way back ... noise comes from the colour content so if you spit the photo into its LAB or HSL content [ because I do not have LAB ] and just sharpen the L componant you sharpen without noise and then recombine the layers.
    Left half of this crop was treated ... I cannot see much difference but maybe the hyper critical can ....
    Interesting method of sharpening w/out noise
    Have not done this for years now prefering the simpler 'sharpen more' or just 'sharpen' ... but then I rarely notice noise.

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    Re: Interesting method of sharpening w/out noise

    While I often use high pass sharpening, and I also have the Topaz collection, you can accomplish the same thing with the standard noise filter. Reducing noise in a high pass layer just eliminates the sharpening of noise in the image.

    To a limited degree you can also use Unsharp Mask by raising the Threshold to eliminate unwanted sharpening.

    I particularly like high pass for architecture and brick structures like the attached image.

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    Re: Interesting method of sharpening w/out noise

    Sharpness is good it's printing design is also good.

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    Re: Interesting method of sharpening w/out noise

    This and a related post by James inspired me to try something similar using LR and photoshop, but I put it in the wrong forum. If you are interested, look for Cactus: PP experiment in the nature and architecture forum. I have a brief explanation of what I did. C&C welcome as always.

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    Re: Interesting method of sharpening w/out noise

    I haven't tried the Topaz method yet, but NIK Dfine2 has a similar noise reduction module (luminance/chrominance) that does similar enhancement. I've been tinkering with it based on information from this thread.

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    Re: Interesting method of sharpening w/out noise

    I'm finding that the advantage of the Topaz De-Noise module is that it seems more aggressive than some others - e.g. Imagenomic. Some images need it. As a sharpening method though, I'm getting to like it basically because it is kinder to heavily cropped shots.

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