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    Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    I love all of jim's photography, but there has always been one photo that really pops out to me:
    http://www.marshallphoto.com/collect...ail/image/1181
    I love how the faces are so bright and almost golden, while the sky is still blue. (although I don't really listen to that band, rather all the other ones jim has photographed)

    And then there is Dave Hill. He's really worth a quick google search. He photographs each object/person individually and smashes them together in photoshop, then photoshops even more, then photoshops even more!

    Anyway, inspired by these two great photographers (that is, if you consider Dave a photographer rather than a photoshop artist), I shot these images of a friend of mine who seems to have an intense love for "nice" shoes.

    this is three 18mm stitched together in photoshop.
    f/22, 1/100, ISO 400
    Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    this is just one image (18mm)
    f/22, 1/100, ISO 400
    Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    what do you think?
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    I like #1. An unusual perspective, How did you manage to light the front of him into the sun - your flash didn't pop according to the EXIF? What lens?

    I like the photo-artistry of Dave Hill that you mentioned http://www.davehillphoto.com/

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    Hi Troy,

    what do you think?
    I think these are very good artistically and technically, especially #1. I wouldn't have thought it possible to get that angle of view from 18mm, even if 3 shots stitched together. In fact if I think of the images three panned 18mm shots would produce, I'm amazed photoshop managed such a result.

    Unfortunately both are let down by some distracting elements in the background, primarily the white stays holding up the awning on the building behind.

    Did you have an off-camera flash fillling for these? As Rob says, the lighting is very good, and far more even than an on camera flash could have achieved given the distances involved (e.g. camera to shoe vs camera to face).

    Did you shoot the 3 shots with much overlap?
    Were they shot portrait or landscape orientation?

    Excellent and inspirational, thanks,

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    Very interesting shots!

    From the amount of noise on the foreground, I am guessing the exposure was adjusted significantly in PP to bring out detail on the subject (?)

    And it is interesting that it is overexposed for the sky (background) where in a shot like this it would be better to expose correctly at least for one the two if not using fill flash.
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    Re: Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    Quote Originally Posted by carregwen View Post
    I like #1. An unusual perspective, How did you manage to light the front of him into the sun - your flash didn't pop according to the EXIF? What lens?

    I like the photo-artistry of Dave Hill that you mentioned http://www.davehillphoto.com/
    Even the second image I reduced flash by 1.7 (stops?). I used manual exposure to expose the sky as bright as it could be while still retaining color. Then I used the recovery/fill sliders in ACR for further compensation. I use my 18-55 nikon kit lens

    Oh, and in the first image there was a large bright building about ten feet behind me which provided for a good fill light.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Humphries View Post
    Hi Troy,



    I think these are very good artistically and technically, especially #1. I wouldn't have thought it possible to get that angle of view from 18mm, even if 3 shots stitched together. In fact if I think of the images three panned 18mm shots would produce, I'm amazed photoshop managed such a result.

    Unfortunately both are let down by some distracting elements in the background, primarily the white stays holding up the awning on the building behind.

    Did you have an off-camera flash fillling for these? As Rob says, the lighting is very good, and far more even than an on camera flash could have achieved given the distances involved (e.g. camera to shoe vs camera to face).

    Did you shoot the 3 shots with much overlap?
    Were they shot portrait or landscape orientation?

    Excellent and inspirational, thanks,
    Yea, there was nowhere else he could stand without changing the position of the sun relative to the camera; and I'm too lazy to photoshop

    I want a vivtar 285 HV, but don't have one yet. I don't even have a job yet - I'm still in high school

    The three were landscape and I was so close that the nodal point was all over the place. I probably actually took 13 shots total before I got it just right.
    Last edited by pwnage101; 14th April 2010 at 03:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwnage101 View Post
    Even the second image I reduced flash by 1.7 (stops?). I used manual exposure to expose the sky as bright as it could be while still retaining color. Then I used the recovery/fill sliders in ACR for further compensation. I use my 18-55 nikon kit lens
    Thanks for the info. I keep looking at this. I'm pretty impressed with it. It couldn't have been an easy shot at all. Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alis View Post
    From the amount of noise on the foreground, I am guessing the exposure was adjusted significantly in PP to bring out detail on the subject (?)
    I shot raw, but here is what it looks like with ACR sliders at zero and no photoshop (except for bicubic resize):
    http://i43.tinypic.com/f8d1c.jpg <--this is actually the wrong one, oops.
    http://i42.tinypic.com/15y7ss8.jpg
    http://i44.tinypic.com/2encbq0.jpg
    http://i44.tinypic.com/2dj1he.jpg
    As for the noise, I was on ISO 400 after all, but I don't notice too much noise; I actually like the little bit of visible noise

    Quote Originally Posted by Alis View Post
    And it is interesting that it is overexposed for the sky (background) where in a shot like this it would be better to expose correctly at least for one the two if not using fill flash.
    When you say "one of the two" I assume you refer to foreground/background? Or do you mean one of the two images. If it's foreground/background, then I'd like to point out that if I'm gonna blow a grand on a camera for a hobby, then I'll take advantage of every bit of RAW data available

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwnage101 View Post
    I shot raw, but here is what it looks like with ACR sliders at zero and no photoshop (except for bicubic resize):
    http://i43.tinypic.com/f8d1c.jpg <--this is actually the wrong one, oops.
    http://i42.tinypic.com/15y7ss8.jpg
    http://i44.tinypic.com/2encbq0.jpg
    http://i44.tinypic.com/2dj1he.jpg
    As for the noise, I was on ISO 400 after all, but I don't notice too much noise; I actually like the little bit of visible noise



    When you say "one of the two" I assume you refer to foreground/background? Or do you mean one of the two images. If it's foreground/background, then I'd like to point out that if I'm gonna blow a grand on a camera for a hobby, then I'll take advantage of every bit of RAW data available
    Hi Troy,

    By noise, I meant the noise that you bring out in a shaddow area when you increase the exposure for that area. Like in your picture, the foreground is against a bright background (sky) and to get detail from the sillouette area of the picture, you actually reveal the noise. Of course rest of the image, where it is exposed properly, does not have as much noise.

    And in a shot like this, I would set the exposure for the sky and then illuminate the foreground with fill light, from whatever source it is. Looks like, in the images you posted in your last post, you have tried to set the exposure for the foreground (not properly though) and that has led to an overexposed background, but looks like you planned it that way

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    Re: Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    I don't particularly like the direction and hardness of light from the pop-up flash, so I try to compensate in PP the best I can until i get myself a 285 and construct a softbox out of paper and aluminum foil

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    Re: Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    Just for kicks, here is my latest encounter with his shoes: (i swear that janitor in the background wasn't there when I was composing the shot!)
    Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!
    18mm - 1/1250s - f/3.5 - ISO 100
    And the original image.

    These happen to resemble the ones in the first post, but he generally wears a broad range of shoes

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    Re: Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    Quote Originally Posted by pwnage101 View Post
    Just for kicks, here is my latest encounter with his shoes: (i swear that janitor in the background wasn't there when I was composing the shot!)
    Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!
    18mm - 1/1250s - f/3.5 - ISO 100
    And the original image.

    Looks nice, you like the saturated colors, huh? I would do it selectively on the shoes, that way you don't less blue on the wiindow glass and the sky in the background.

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    Re: Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    I was actually going to do exactly that (especially on the orange cart). whatever, next time.

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    Re: Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    Here are two more attempts at the surreal dave-hill feel:

    Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    Don't mind the number on the storm trooper's chest - this was at an epilepsy walk in San Diego. Also, I took these with my D80 which has no live view; it took me many many shots to get the composition and focus just right because i was holding the camera up above my head.

    And just for kicks and giggles, here is Darth Vader walking near the sand area where I took the first two shots:

    Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!
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    Re: Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    Hi Troy,

    Good shots under the circumstances.

    I like the last best and would suggest there's a winning image in there waiting to cropped and cloned out.
    First clone out the tent and person behind it, then crop tighter on the girl and Darth, her expression is priceless!

    (how much did you pay her? )

    Cheers,
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    Re: Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    Quote Originally Posted by pwnage101 View Post
    Just for kicks, here is my latest encounter with his shoes: (i swear that janitor in the background wasn't there when I was composing the shot!)

    And the original image.

    These happen to resemble the ones in the first post, but he generally wears a broad range of shoes
    Hey Troy,

    The post processed looks so good. You mind sharing what all you did to bring out the colours and details?! And what s/w did you use?

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    Re: Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    Sorry I haven't had the time to respond - I will do so after finals. Anyway, I snapped another one today. I had people walking in circles around the subject and composed using separate parts of four different images, each at 1/8 second. I then implemented *selective local contrast, radial blur, and sharpening.
    Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!
    116mm - 1/8s - f/25 - ISO 100
    Last edited by pwnage101; 29th April 2010 at 06:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwnage101 View Post
    Sorry I haven't had the time to respond - I will do so after finals. Anyway, I snapped another one today. I had people walking in circles around the subject and composed using separate parts of four different images, each at 1/8 second. I then implemented *selective local contrast, radial blur, and sharpening.
    Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!
    116mm - 1/8s - f/25 - ISO 100
    Nice shot again! Made me dizzy after looking at it for 5 seconds; very powerful

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    Re: Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    Hi Troy,

    You've put quite a bit of effort into this, but I can't help thinking that with a better background it could have been a classic image. Keep 'em coming, you obviously have a flair for this and know how to take an idea through to completion. I think you'll be 'one to watch' develop.

    Good luck with those finals,

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    Re: Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Humphries View Post
    Hi Troy,

    Good shots under the circumstances.

    I like the last best and would suggest there's a winning image in there waiting to cropped and cloned out.
    First clone out the tent and person behind it, then crop tighter on the girl and Darth, her expression is priceless!

    (how much did you pay her? )

    Cheers,
    i should also clone out the street lamp that makes darth vader look like a helicopter!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sahil View Post
    Hey Troy,

    The post processed looks so good. You mind sharing what all you did to bring out the colours and details?! And what s/w did you use?
    basically i took ACR to the limit (fill and contrast) then i used photoshop to selectively increase exposure and selectively apply different levels of local contrast in different areas. then i basically sharpen my images like crazy - starting with the bicubic sharper downsize interpolation and further output sharpening (normally 0.3px at 50%) and sometimes selective sharpening with the sharpen tool.

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    Re: Thanks Dave Hill and Jim Marshall!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Humphries View Post
    Hi Troy,

    You've put quite a bit of effort into this, but I can't help thinking that with a better background it could have been a classic image. Keep 'em coming, you obviously have a flair for this and know how to take an idea through to completion. I think you'll be 'one to watch' develop.

    Good luck with those finals,
    it seems that i don't tend to pay very close attention to the backgrounds....in any of my images except for the storm trooper in the sand.

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