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    Flash Fill Light (Caution: Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    Hi All,

    We had a bit of a discussion on fill light a few weeks ago - for those who aren't familiar with it's "RAW Power" (pun intended ), I thought I'd post you this example of "yours truely" testing lighting setups in my studio today ...

    The first is straight out the camera, with fill light set to 0:

    Flash Fill Light (Caution: Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    The second is the same RAW shot reprocessed with the fill light set to 100 (max). No other changes to either image.

    Flash Fill Light (Caution: Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    This 3rd shot is with fill light set to 0, but the image "recovered" using image -> Adjustments -> shadow / Highlight (with the shadow maxed out).


    Flash Fill Light (Caution: Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    I think it illustrates the golden rule of "anything you CAN do in the RAW converter you SHOULD do in the RAW converter) (with the exception of sharpening!).

    See you all in my nightmares ...

    ... Mauhahahahha
    Last edited by Colin Southern; 29th March 2010 at 09:33 AM.

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    Re: Fill Light (Caution: Graphic Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    Colin

    You look really intelligent, chic, and sophisticated. Even with the fill light turned up. I think I need to do a RAW shot of myself and turn up the blacks.

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    Re: Fill Light (Caution: Graphic Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    Quote Originally Posted by carregwen View Post
    Colin

    You look really intelligent, chic, and sophisticated.
    See, you CAN fool some of the people all the time! Many say I'm more like an "old woman" than a "chic" though!

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    Re: Fill Light (Caution: Graphic Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    Might be worth doing the same thing with a humble JPEG to see the difference? I agree about always using RAW. There is just so much difference in ability to make changes without too much loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carregwen View Post
    Might be worth doing the same thing with a humble JPEG to see the difference?
    I just tried it ... using ACR on the JPEG produces a result similar to photo #3, as did using shadow / highlights on the same file from within Photoshop.

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    Re: Fill Light (Caution: Graphic Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    hi colin and rob!
    now i know the power of "fill light"...
    however, i cannot find the fill light adjustment in "digital photo pro" software bundled in my eos 50d.
    is there any?

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    Isabelo

    I have V3.6 of DPP and it has a slider called 'shadow' which seems to do a similar thing in lifting the shadow detail. What version do you have?

    the latest version is 3.8 but it doesn't seem to have much extra over previous versions. http://software.canon-europe.com/sof...875.asp?model=

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    Re: Fill Light (Caution: Graphic Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    Great visual for how the fill light works. Thank you! That said, I really like the first picture the most. Turn your face to the right and you'd have a wonderful, natural shot. You won't show that last one to small children, will you?

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    Re: Fill Light (Caution: Graphic Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    It's okay - I didn't look!

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    Re: Fill Light (Caution: Graphic Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    Quote Originally Posted by carregwen View Post
    Isabelo

    I have V3.6 of DPP and it has a slider called 'shadow' which seems to do a similar thing in lifting the shadow detail. What version do you have?

    the latest version is 3.8 but it doesn't seem to have much extra over previous versions. http://software.canon-europe.com/sof...875.asp?model=
    That stuff is great and I just did this with it, I wished I knew about it earlier, but now I've paid for PSE
    Flash Fill Light (Caution: Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)
    Shadows is exactly the same as fill light but you can save to RAW with this, however I noticed there isn't such a wide ev range as with ACR which has some other things to play with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arith View Post
    That stuff is great and I just did this with it, I wished I knew about it earlier, but now I've paid for PSE
    Flash Fill Light (Caution: Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)
    Shadows is exactly the same as fill light but you can save to RAW with this, however I noticed there isn't such a wide ev range as with ACR which has some other things to play with.
    DPP is OK for basic RAW editing, but as you say you can't do the fancy fandango stuff (whatever that is). Nice cottage - it's not for sale is it - I fancy a move?

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    Re: Fill Light (Caution: Graphic Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    I expect it probably will be soon since next door but one was bought by a social landlord, demolished and a rather nice big place is under construction that only the builders know what it will look like apparently.

    It is definitely BIG.

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    Re: Fill Light (Caution: Graphic Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    How about putting the initial example, along with the information about RAW vs jpeg, into a tutorial or sticky thread? I think it's a very useful example. Besides, everyone should know what Colin looks like.

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    Re: Fill Light (Caution: Graphic Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    Quote Originally Posted by rick55 View Post
    Besides, everyone should know what Colin looks like.

    Well, that one's easy - he's a stand-in for Deke McClelland. In fact, he may well be Deke. That would account for his great knowledge and astonishingly good looks... http://www.deke.com/
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    Re: Fill Light (Caution: Graphic Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Maritimer1 View Post
    Great visual for how the fill light works. Thank you! That said, I really like the first picture the most. Turn your face to the right and you'd have a wonderful, natural shot. You won't show that last one to small children, will you?

    Myra
    Thanks Myra, but "natural shots of me" is a bit of an oxymoron - a bit like "singing is to standing on the cat's tail"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carregwen View Post
    ... and astonishingly good looks...
    Cough ... cough ... COUGH COUGH COUGH COUGH COUGH!

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    Re: Fill Light (Caution: Graphic Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    Quote Originally Posted by arith View Post
    That stuff is great and I just did this with it, I wished I knew about it earlier, but now I've paid for PSE
    PSE uses the same RAW converter - so it should be there.

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    Re: Fill Light (Caution: Graphic Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    Quote Originally Posted by rick55 View Post
    How about putting the initial example, along with the information about RAW vs jpeg, into a tutorial or sticky thread? I think it's a very useful example.
    Hi Rick,

    Thanks for that - I've popped the link into my "useful links" post.

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    Re: Fill Light (Caution: Graphic Content Likely to Offend) (Not for the Squeamish!)

    Everybody knows what Colin looks like,well I think he looks quite well considering, and I will not hear anything adverse against (middle aged aged challenged)

    I bet Colin can equal anything young can do, I can. I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by arith View Post

    I bet Colin can equal anything young can do, I can. I think
    Well the young folk seem far more popular with the ladies!

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