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    Say Hello to Kelsey

    Hi all,

    Another "Daughter's Friend / Victim" Shot today - Canon 1Ds3 / EF70-200mm F2.8L IS USM - 160th @ F2.8 @ ISO 400 - Soft Focus Processing.

    C & C Welcome.

    Say Hello to Kelsey
    Last edited by Colin Southern; 27th March 2010 at 09:23 AM.

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    Re: Say Hello to Kelsey

    Another beautifully executed image.

    A question, more than a comment - Kelsey is not looking straight at the lens. Her gaze is focused just over my left shoulder. I wondered if there's a confusion created because it is 'just' over my shoulder? She is neither clearly looking straight at the camera or at something at a greater angle (say 45 degrees from the camera). To use psycho-babble, it creates a cognitive dissonance.

    Edit - So spoke the non-person photographer who wouldn't know where to start getting this sort of image.
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    Hi Donald,

    Thanks for the kind words

    Probably the best response to your comment is simply "luck of the draw" - I (finally) talked my daughter and her friend into letting me take some shots (I reckon it's getting harder and harder!) - at which point "controlling" them becomes a bit like trying to control a car sliding on gravel in that you can only do so much. As such, the best shots were the "casual snaps" (or so it appeared to them) between the "official takes" - so shots like this are 50/50 good luck -v- conscious composition (eg shoot-through umbrella with dual 580EX II rig on ETTL - camera at the ready - try to hit the button at the right time).

    Also, when I'm posing people these days I tend to go more for roughly equal portions of whites in the eyes visible - and if that happens to direct the gaze elsewhere then "so be it" - I think it kinda works.

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    Re: Say Hello to Kelsey

    Hi Colin,

    Another excellent shot with so much more to commend it than the tiny, nit-pickety point I'm about to make

    Slight whiten/brighten to the teeth maybe?

    Cheers,

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    Re: Say Hello to Kelsey

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Humphries View Post
    Hi Colin,

    Another excellent shot with so much more to commend it than the tiny, nit-pickety point I'm about to make

    Slight whiten/brighten to the teeth maybe?

    Cheers,
    Hmmm - I actually did that, but I agree that they appear to still need a touch more work. I might update it.

    Thanks Dave

    Edit: I've just updated the first image.

    Edit #2: I found the problem - normally for teeth whitening I just throw on a masked HSB layer - decrease the yellow hue by 70% and then raise the brightness of all hues by around 10% - on this occasion I'd decreased the yellow by 80% and increased everything by 15%, but as it turns out it wasn't enough ... I eventually traced the problem to a small red component in there (which is a first for me) - so I dropped that by 25% and "viola"
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    Re: Say Hello to Kelsey

    Just for fun, here's another shot from the same shoot. It didn't quite "make the grade" due to the position of my daughters glasses, but I thought it was worth keeping anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Southern View Post
    It didn't quite "make the grade" due to the position of my daughters glasses, ...
    I suppose if we're setting the bar as high as we do (which is as it should be), then, 'okay, I see what you mean'.

    ... but I thought it was worth keeping anyway.
    You bet. It's a beautiful record of two friends together. And I'm sure both these young people will be glad to show it to others in 30/40/50 years time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I'm sure both these young people will be glad to show it to others in 30/40/50 years time.
    I was thinking of keeping a few to blackmail her later on in life, but then it occured to me that she'll probably get to pick which rest home I end up in!

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    Re: Two Peas in a Pod

    Colin, the first image is good. No more than that. Not at your level. Sorry my friend.
    What is it that I don't like in the image ?
    The focus is missed, the crop with rotation looks like she is falling, the left light too "equal", too artificial. BBrrr. No. May be it is just me.

    While the second image is quite interesting. Doesn't matter to me if your daughter has the glasses the way she does.
    The image has movement, dynamism, is sharp, may be you have rotated it too much but that is a "may be", the colors are warm and nice you could clone the leaves behind but OK, just a small detail.
    They are spontaneous, they are young and beautiful.

    I also like the non-uniform light you have on them. Homogeneous light is not very much of my liking.
    Did you use the flash here ? For me it is not obvious and I like that way to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antonio Correia View Post
    Colin, the first image is good. No more than that. Not at your level. Sorry my friend.
    What is it that I don't like in the image ?
    The focus is missed, the crop with rotation looks like she is falling, the left light too "equal", too artificial. BBrrr. No. May be it is just me.
    Hi Antonio,

    Must be just you - I think it's one of my best

    Some thoughts ...

    - The focus isn't missed, although it does have a narrow DoF (being shot @ F2.8). Probably what you're seeling is the soft-focus processing (that I mentioned in the text) - similar to how I've often seen Monte Zucker process shots.

    - Image wasn't rotated in PP - I rotated the camera at the time to give a powerful diagonal through the image, and symmetry with the green foliage, which I think works very well.

    - Not sure what you're meaning with the lighting being too equal - it's a loop lighting pattern which can be clearly seen off the nose. I think the light drops off quite considerably. Puzzled. It was shot using a shoot-through umbrella for fill light from camera left.

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    Re: Two Peas in a Pod

    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Southern View Post
    Hi Antonio, Must be just you - I think it's one of my best Some thoughts ... - The focus isn't missed, although it does have a narrow DoF (being shot @ F2.8). Probably what you're seeling is the soft-focus processing (that I mentioned in the text) - similar to how I've often seen Monte Zucker process shots. - Image wasn't rotated in PP - I rotated the camera at the time to give a powerful diagonal through the image, and symmetry with the green foliage, which I think works very well. - Not sure what you're meaning with the lighting being too equal - it's a loop lighting pattern which can be clearly seen off the nose. I think the light drops off quite considerably. Puzzled. It was shot using a shoot-through umbrella for fill light from camera left.
    I did a wrong evaluation, then. Sorry

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    Re: Two Peas in a Pod

    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Southern View Post

    - Image wasn't rotated in PP - I rotated the camera at the time to give a powerful diagonal through the image, and symmetry with the green foliage, which I think works very well.
    Hi, Colin;

    It is a wonderful shot. May I ask, why rotate the camera instead of do it in post-processing? Is it to avoid the interpolation error?

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick55 View Post
    Hi, Colin;

    It is a wonderful shot. May I ask, why rotate the camera instead of do it in post-processing? Is it to avoid the interpolation error?

    Cheers,
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    Hi Rick,

    Thanks for that

    Of course the rotation can be done "at the time" or "in PP afterwards", but I like to do it "in camera" for 2 reasons ... (1) because I like to get everything as right as possible in camera (same goes for lighting etc), and (2) because it changes the "dynamic energy" of the shot so much you can instantly see "if the shot worked" (and thus either take more like it, or adjust the angle).

    Out of interest, what do you think of the angle? Personally I think it works, but is pretty much "right on the limit" (in fact, probably over the limit, but still "works" because of the powerful diagonals and the way the background is bisected) ... but interested to hear others opinions.

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    Re: Two Peas in a Pod

    Hi, Colin;

    I think the angle works well artistically, looking at the photo as someone who doesn't know the subject. I don't know if I'd appreciate it as much if it was a portrait of my daughter, for example. But even then, I think it would work well as part of a larger series: if you have 20 photos in a slide show, for example, it would break up the, "Yeah, there she is again," feeling. Something like half a dozen fairly unusual shots like this would keep the series interesting.

    Cheers,
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    Thanks Rick,

    I'm thinking of printing a 20" x 20" framed canvas as a present for the parents - so my dilema is "would they like it as is?"

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    At this rate, Colin, you will soon be able to give up the day job. Or does the day job pay too well?

    Great shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carregwen View Post
    At this rate, Colin, you will soon be able to give up the day job. Or does the day job pay too well?

    Great shots.
    Thanks Rob,

    The day job actually DOES pay pretty well - but I like to think of this as being a 2nd job. New financial year is about to start - I've done some heavy investing in my new studio - so I think I'll dedicate the 2010-2011 financial year to "making money"

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    Re: Two Peas in a Pod

    Very good Colin. Great expression and lighting including catchlite in the eyes.

    Chuck

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    Quote Originally Posted by CNelson View Post
    Very good Colin. Great expression and lighting including catchlite in the eyes.

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    Thanks Chuck,

    I've just printed off a couple of canvases - one for the parents and one for my portfolio - hope they like them!

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    Re: Two Peas in a Pod

    I'm thinking of printing a 20" x 20" framed canvas as a present for the parents - so my dilema is "would they like it as is?"
    Absolutely! When I suggested that it might not work for someone looking for "a photo of my daughter," I wasn't thinking about that. I think the concept of being a breath of fresh air in a slide show fits better. I imagine they have photos of her on the wall already, and one more isn't that big a deal, but this would be something special that would really stand out.

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